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Oct 25, 2008 / pixtur
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pixtur's point of viewπ

Sorry it took me so long to give a feedback. I was busy, but I also had to thought about this. To start with: the changes are tremendous and very very cool...

But: Right now I don't see this changes in a future version streber. In the last couple of days I fixed some minor bugs and started to reconsider some minor features. I hadn't looked at the code for quiet a while. Now I am a little bit more motivated, because streber is being used at my new work and I want it bullet-proof. My conclusions right now are:
  1. Streber needs less features, not more. (I consider to remove Bookmarks, LDAP registering, notes on people, 2nd e-mail adress and a couple of other features only required by the minority of the people). Everything that smells like a "special solution for somebody".
  2. Streber needs better workflow for the basic things: Collaborating / exchanging work. Managing milestones and todo-lists. Probably svn-support ala Trac.
  3. The current theme is too cluttered and too slow. I probably will redesign some things.
  4. We need more ajax and filter stuff to organize lists (ala OmniOutliner).
  5. Streber needs less project management features. I don't see streber in project planning, because I think good projects can't be planned in something like MS Project. Good projects need "the drive".
Right now I believe that the best solution would be, to fork into another project: A project management and planning software. I know this hurts. But it's better to do something little very good than try to do something big and fail.

Sorry.
pixtur

BTW: a new release might come soon.

11 Comments

pixtur:Another thought...

4 years ago

I am selfish and write streber mostly for my own use. During the last year I learned, that my motivation is not sufficient of update and stabilize features, I don't use or sometimes don't even understand.

cody-somerville:Please do not remove ldap authentication

4 years ago

Please Please Please do not remove ldap authentication. It is a vital and useful feature for deployment in the enterprise setting.

baeron:LDAP

4 years ago

I agree, you can hardly call that a "special solution for somebody".

guest:Me opinion

4 years ago (2. update 4 years ago) - Delete

I agree with points 1,2,3 and 4.
I disagree with 5.
I think streber has all features needed for a well matured project manager tool.
It has the right features for a daily usage in a project management and software development. We found very intuitive and easy to use.

What I found useful.
  1. milestones and versions.
  2. tasks multi-assignment.
  3. mass edit.
  4. docu-wiki.
  5. files.
  6. DIFF on-line. (awesome)
  7. efforts.
What I found unuseful (less used).
  1. bookmarks
  2. LDAP authentication
  3. overall changes (the less used area in our projects)
  4. rss status.(but it's fine)
What I Miss (so we added).
  1. resolved tasks listed in milestone.
  2. Gantt visualization and edit. (streber got that info, we display in more intuitive way).
  3. Char or reporting enhancements. (you got a big picture of the project status).
  4. Vcalendar for your tasks.(take yours anywhere)
  5. more iconographic (at least for primary actions).
What I Miss (but no added).
  1. roll back to a previous version of doc content.
  2. SVN integration.
  3. Better workflow (again, a new ajax-UI can help solve this).
Maybe I fell a little disappointed by your decision because is a great tool and we think that we can make better with few tweaks. You created a 98% usable PMTool open source and free. The 2% rest is because as soft-dev you always think that can improve things and its true streber need performance tweaks or re-factoring.

I hope we can found the right way to make streber rocks!.

from luchyx


madlyr:

4 years ago


What I found unuseful (less used).

1. bookmarks
2. LDAP authentication
3. overall changes (the less used area in our projects)
4. rss status.(but it's fine)

I agree with points 1,2 and 4.
I disagree with 3.

What I Miss (so we added).

1. resolved tasks listed in milestone.
2. Gantt visualization and edit. (streber got that info, we display in more intuitive way).
3. Char or reporting enhancements. (you got a big picture of the project status).
4. Vcalendar for your tasks.(take yours anywhere)
5. more iconographic (at least for primary actions).

1, 2, 4 - cool
3 - charts as overall view in my opinion are useless, they are more just to show, how advanced tool we use, than sows real informations.
5 - icons tends to hide it's functions - it's a risk to overiconogrhah tool

What I Miss (but no added).

1. roll back to a previous version of doc content.
2. SVN integration.
3. Better workflow (again, a new ajax-UI can help solve this)

1 - disagree - effort not worth to implement - better to concentrate on other tasks
2, 3 - agree

Radek

guest:

4 years ago - Delete

well, so the project is dead

looking forward to ose clockingIT, maybe they include some of the features used in streber

damian2:the best pm

4 years ago (2. update 4 years ago)

i have been using StreberPM two years, after a deep and sistematic search of PMs, and i think Streber as the best of his class.
There isnt any project with his main features, maybe others have Gantts, more themes, etc... but Streber fits perfectly in a wide range of team projects.

long life to StreberPM!!!!

THANKS PIXTUR FOR BRING US THIS PROJECT!!!!

madlyr:I agree with lunchyx

4 years ago

Hi,
proposed enhancement are in my opinion really, really cool and in my manager role very, very useful. It solves most of missing and needed for me features.

GANNT is often used in visualize time relations, specially in more complicated projects with tens of tasks.

There is no need to add task constraints - it complicates everything and without constraints but with intuitive and fast multiedit of timeline there is no need at all for constraints.

It should be GANTT like view for milestones too.

GANNT views are often used in offers, and during project documentation process.

Radek


pixtur:very useful discussion...

4 years ago

I read through the list again. I especially like the list of features people don't like. This weekend I spent another 8 hours writing tests and fixing bugs (of which where most in code contributed to implement features somebody found useful).

A good example for this is bookmarks: I was really pleased to find a cabable developer willing to implement new features and fix some bugs on the fly. But then the feature was a special solution and, of course, the developer is no longer valid.

But I would love to see luchyx version in Januar.


madlyr:Great

4 years ago

But I would love to see luchyx version in January.


Excellent :-) it will be really cool and for me very expected and useful features!

deleteme1337:SVN

4 years ago

SVN is as good as dead to some (who are using Git or Mercurial now).

If you want to support a version control system, please find a way to support the popular DVCS.

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