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Hello

streber is still way behind DorProject and NetOffice.

When are you going to release Gantt Charts and Timesheet. Streber needs to be serious for large companies.

I don't think it is the right place to argue, but NetOffice is dead, more than 3 years since the last release.

IMHO Streber is the best tool if you want:

• ease of use
• document version control
• collaboration

If you want to go with DotProject or NetOffice this is perfectly fine. You should consider that streber is a project of highly motivated people doing this stuff in their spare time. Nobody is earning any money with it. They are doing it for their own benefit. Of course I am glad if people use it, but I am not starving if not (actually it is the other way around :) )

Whenever someone comes and gives some criticism, the developers of the open source project, always jump on the bandwagon," This is a free project, people are giving away their spare time.Non-Profit etc. etc."

Seriously, is this an excuse?. This is the same rambling among most of the open source projects.

Firstly, why did you start such a project, if you would not be able to work full time on it. If you were not dedicated in the first place, why start a new project. Is it that everyone wants to jump on the Open Source Project list and try and get famous.

When i said that streber is behind Netoffice and dotproject.

By the way, Netoffice had released
[2006/9/25] netOffice Dwins version 1.3

So, its just been 8 months since their last release.

But the issue is that even their last version, it still has so many features which streber lacks and is way behind. Even with all the active development of streber, it still lacks behind dotproject and netoffice.

First of all... To the development team: Thanks heaps for a job well done guys!! This application is very well structured and put together. I originally tried ActiveCollab and even went as far as a Wiki to get the same results that Streber produces out of the box.

Secondly: To guest:
Not sure why are you wasting your time posting on here if all you want to do it mock. If this project is not for you, feel free to go and use one that is. But when they don't have a feature that you want, are you going to bad mouth them as well? Maybe you could spend your spare time producing a product that isn't up to scratch in "our" eyes and we can come and visit your site and pay the same respects.

As mentioned. Streber is a great project.

RESPECT!

''Whenever someone comes and gives some criticism''...

The problem, most of the times, and clearly in this case, is the use of the word criticism.


Saying "Your software is so much worse than this other software! When are you going to add this or that feature?" is not criticism. Think that maybe this project does not pursuit the same goals or values the same tools in the same manner as you do. Allow that that feature which you consider essential to your needs may or may not be as essential to other users or to the mindset of this particular project.

I've seen criticism very well received previously on Streber. In fact some of NetOffice's features have been discussed before ( http://www.streber-pm.org/index.php?go=taskViewAsDocu&tsk=4741 ) and some ideas accepted as reasonable while others were deemed not interesting. Please, do read through that conversation for an example of how to make constructive criticism and proposing features instead of just visiting some projects site and saying "your software is very lacking compared to this other project. when are you going to implement this things that I want?".

We accumulated some amount of data in a streber v0.0796 installation. Now want to upgrade to latest release without loosing the data. Didn't find a description how to do this. Is it sufficient to just replace the .php files and adjust the config files but leaving the MySQL database as is? Or is there a migration script?

Regarding the discussion above I'd like to summarize my experience with streber:

1. runs stable from the first day on
2. easy to use for experienced and less experienced web-interface users
3. absolutely nice and well designed UI
4. the more you use the more you see the brilliancy of it
5. a strong characteristic of it is the low profile on features
6. I read somewhere that it targets sw developers and project managers for small to medium size projects (-> professionals!) - streber does this very well
7. always got answered my posts nearly immediately
8. etc.

• I'd be really sad if streber would be put on hold due to unsound discussions
• streber "community" shouldn't spend too much energy defending their project - see no reason, streber's just too good, although still in 0.xxx version
• I'm really impressed of what the developers have achieved in their spare time and give me for free. Thanks a lot!

We accumulated some amount of data in a streber v0.0796 installation. Now want to upgrade to latest release without loosing the data. Didn't find a description how to do this. Is it sufficient to just replace the .php files and adjust the config files but leaving the MySQL database as is? Or is there a migration script?

Regarding the discussion above I'd like to summarize my experience with streber:

1. runs stable from the first day on
2. easy to use for experienced and less experienced web-interface users
3. absolutely nice and well designed UI
4. the more you use the more you see the brilliancy of it
5. a strong characteristic of it is the low profile on features
6. I read somewhere that it targets sw developers and project managers for small to medium size projects (-> professionals!) - streber does this very well
7. always got answered my posts nearly immediately
8. etc.

• I'd be really sad if streber would be put on hold due to unsound discussions
• streber "community" shouldn't spend too much energy defending their project - see no reason, streber's just too good, although still in 0.xxx version
• I'm really impressed of what the developers have achieved in their spare time and give me for free. Thanks a lot!

Don't want appear being impatient - but anybody can give me a reasonable reply regarding how to migrate from one streber version to another?

There is actually a link to information about it.

Installation

but... I tried to follow this myself and actually couldn't get it to work. (Can't remember the details.)

I ended up just installing it cleanly and starting again. This was fine for my setup where it had only a few tasks and 1 project but larger installs are going to feel it if they can't upgrade cleanly.

Thanks for your reply! Fortunately my current installation works very well - but I'd like to follow new releases, in particular the partially reworked UI looks attractive.

@eh: Upgrading should working out of the box. This is was actually a key feature from the very beginning. As you can see, www.streber-pm.org already upgraded. It should work just as described in Installation.

Regarding discussionπ

Well, obviously I was a little bit pissed off about guest. I really like to hear all kind of feedback, actually I am more interested in the not working stuff. But the shouting for more features is so incredibly stupid, that it makes my day. I will probably have to get used to it.

Thanks for all the praise, though!

@pixtur.
The reason for my message was that I really do find streber a real bright project. But it certainly is missing main components such as Gantt Charts etc.

I do like streber and do not take my message in a negative way. If I would not have liked streber, i would not have cared to comment on it.

@guest:
I learned a tremendous amount with the development of streber. Started now from scratch, I would do a lot of things completely different (I would have used ruby or python and there would even be less(!) features.), The interface would be very similar (maybe a little bit cleaner and with more ajax stuff), but the features would actually be the same. I already had endless discussions about different ways of managing projects. It's like religion: In the long term it all boils down to personal taste or habit. But in my 15 years of work experience, I never encountered a project that would have had any benefit from more gantt charts. I know, there are a lot of wise men who learned how to manage projects, and praying the opposite, but hey: It's a personal thing.

Now, you see, streber is driven by personal needs. For my personal use Milestones are perfectly sufficient to manage any project. I just have another focus on what features are important (and there are a lot). So you probably will have to wait for a really long time, until someone implements gantt charts. Burger implemented a lot of effort stuff for freshframes because they urgently needed it. I will not hesitate to give any possible support for implementing gantts. But I will not do it myself. Since I am not using them, I am the wrong guy anyway, because I do not know, what's needed.

Sorry for disappointing you.

@pixtur and @eh

I had the same problem when upgrading to v0.0800 tonight, and after looking through the code I found this around line 388 of install/install.php

from install/install.php

/**

* there should be excactly one row with updated == NULL. Otherwise we a have a problem

*/

if( $count!=1 ) {

    print_testResult(RESULT_FAILED,"could not get propper db-version table entry. Please view ".getStreberWikiLink('installation','Installation Guide')." on hints how to proceed.");

    return false;

}

I found the problem to be that when I installed v0.0796 it created two identical entries with NULL values for the "updated" field in the "db" table, which this code obviously detected and exited on. Removing the offending duplicate from the "db" table fixed the issue.

This issue is also described here: I can´t upgrade to the last version

Thanks for the tip. Try to upgrade in one of the next weeks, will see how it works.

I was at a hot place last week (in two meanings - weather and politics) and therefore had no chance to see what's going on with streber. But I like to see and it proves my experience once again that "it's the sound which makes the music" (simply translated a German saying here) - meaning to be happy to see that obviously @guest was kind of misunderstood due to his/her words chosen, but at the end she/he correctly asses streber to be a very good open source project.

Anyway I had also some discussions with a working colleague about what a pm tool needs and why he better shouldn't start writing his own solution, even this would enable him to get every feature he wants (but not so sure whether he REALLY needs). He still would be in initial stage with it wasting valuable time just for its self-assertion instead of the project he's responsible for.

Actually getting streber work for you takes some time as it is with every other program, but one can effectively use it for most of the tasks without needing a reference manual. And one should look at what is presented on screen - thanks to streber's very nice styled UI important information is just where you exepect it (at least after thinking twice) or then not more than one or two mouse clicks away.

About the technologies used I guess they are absolutely fine. With Python there's the problem that not so many hosters provide it and (even Google seems to be partially written with it) the tab-indent for code structuring can lead to situations where a wrong editor setting can mess it all up (as learned hard by experience).

So stop writing here. It's just nice to be back in more moderate climate (in two meanings, see above...)